turbowop
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I don't think Ricky understands how synchro'd gearboxes work. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hsugh.gif
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non synchro'd reverse
- Thread starter prove_it
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Quoting prove_it:
so no one has any idea what trans is in my car?
Like someone said above, we need to know what the model number is that is stamped on top of the bell housing.
It should start with a w5m3 something.
so no one has any idea what trans is in my car?
Like someone said above, we need to know what the model number is that is stamped on top of the bell housing.
It should start with a w5m3 something.
prove_it
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It doesn't have a stamp. If it did I would already know what I have. I counted 5th gear teeth and it has the same 5th gear as a gvr4. no stamps that I could see. All I have to go by is the internal build structure.
It's a great transmission, super clean and shifts like new.
Does anyone know if the evoI-III transmissions use a reverse brake?
It's a great transmission, super clean and shifts like new.
Does anyone know if the evoI-III transmissions use a reverse brake?
Yes they do.
HHIVR4
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Look there
prove_it
Well-known member
Ok, I looked there. Ah yea no help, least I don't think. Well there is a stamp there, however it doesn't say W5M33.
It says:
C51PH
FT1214
Just like that. Two lines. I'm even more clueless now. Anyone???????????
It says:
C51PH
FT1214
Just like that. Two lines. I'm even more clueless now. Anyone???????????
vr4 evo w5m33's have steel shift forks, as do evolution lancer type w5m33's.
You could theoretically have straight cut gears with synchro engagement, I think people get confused because most aftermarket straight cut gearsets use dog engagement instead (you can also get helical cut gears with dog engagement).
You could theoretically have straight cut gears with synchro engagement, I think people get confused because most aftermarket straight cut gearsets use dog engagement instead (you can also get helical cut gears with dog engagement).
prove_it
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It can't be straight cut gears, It doesn't whine like a 4 year spoiled girl.
Reverse doesn't have a syncro. I called it the wrong name. It is a reverse brake. It does shift "heavy". Kinda like a truck tranny, but not. I guess you could call it clunky. It kinda falls into gear great with no grind.
I'm even more confused by the lack of identity numbers.
Reverse doesn't have a syncro. I called it the wrong name. It is a reverse brake. It does shift "heavy". Kinda like a truck tranny, but not. I guess you could call it clunky. It kinda falls into gear great with no grind.
I'm even more confused by the lack of identity numbers.
prove_it
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Oh snap, deep digging into google just yeilded this info from DSMTalk:
""The type of tranny is listed first, followed by a general tranny ID # (the "_"
before and the "__" after the ID can vary), followed by an example or
two.
US spec TEL, 90 -> _w5m332np__, e.g. kw5m332npzs (unk casing #);
_w5m332npzs, mh8095
US spec TEL, 91 -> _w5m332np__, e.g. kw5m332npxv (unk casing #
US spec TEL, 92 -> ???
US spec TEL, 93 -> ???
US spec TEL, 94 -> ???
US spec GVR4, 91 -> _w5m332nq__, e.g. _w5m332nqbm, kx9091
US spec GVR4, 92 -> ???
Evo III -> ???
Evo II -> ???
Evo I -> ???
JDM (Aus) GVR4, type unk -> _w5m332nq__, e.g. _w5m332nqzk (unk casing
#)
JDM (Aus) GVR4, 91 -> _w5m332nq__, e.g. _w5m332nqzk, Lh6282
JDM GVR4, year unk -> _w5m332nq__, e.g. _w5m332nqzk, ma6822
JDM (Aus) GVR4 Evo, year unk -> c51ph, e.g. c51ph, ?x9766
JDM GVR4, year unk -> c51ph, e.g. c51ph, hL4285; c51ph, sd7177
unk spec GVR4 RS, year unk -> _w5m332wq__, e.g. _w5m332wqge, qn6866;
_w5m332wqnk, Lp0399
unk origin (E39 VR4 written on it) -> _w5m332nr__, e.g.
_w5m332nrxc,
ex6172
JDM ZR4, 89 -> c51ph, e.g. c51ph, hk9717
JDM ZR4, 88 -> c51ph, e.g. c51ph, cL0845""
""The type of tranny is listed first, followed by a general tranny ID # (the "_"
before and the "__" after the ID can vary), followed by an example or
two.
US spec TEL, 90 -> _w5m332np__, e.g. kw5m332npzs (unk casing #);
_w5m332npzs, mh8095
US spec TEL, 91 -> _w5m332np__, e.g. kw5m332npxv (unk casing #
US spec TEL, 92 -> ???
US spec TEL, 93 -> ???
US spec TEL, 94 -> ???
US spec GVR4, 91 -> _w5m332nq__, e.g. _w5m332nqbm, kx9091
US spec GVR4, 92 -> ???
Evo III -> ???
Evo II -> ???
Evo I -> ???
JDM (Aus) GVR4, type unk -> _w5m332nq__, e.g. _w5m332nqzk (unk casing
#)
JDM (Aus) GVR4, 91 -> _w5m332nq__, e.g. _w5m332nqzk, Lh6282
JDM GVR4, year unk -> _w5m332nq__, e.g. _w5m332nqzk, ma6822
JDM (Aus) GVR4 Evo, year unk -> c51ph, e.g. c51ph, ?x9766
JDM GVR4, year unk -> c51ph, e.g. c51ph, hL4285; c51ph, sd7177
unk spec GVR4 RS, year unk -> _w5m332wq__, e.g. _w5m332wqge, qn6866;
_w5m332wqnk, Lp0399
unk origin (E39 VR4 written on it) -> _w5m332nr__, e.g.
_w5m332nrxc,
ex6172
JDM ZR4, 89 -> c51ph, e.g. c51ph, hk9717
JDM ZR4, 88 -> c51ph, e.g. c51ph, cL0845""
turbowop
Well-known member
The reverse "brake" may not be a "synchro" but it looks exactly like one and serves the same basic purpose. It slows down any rotation to allow easy gear engagement.
prove_it
Well-known member
yes yes you mentioned that. That's why I called it a synchro in the beginning.
Well behold some old galantvr4.org info from a few years ago Clicky
I feel like an idiot for not finding it on here earlier. oh well. Was a good thread though. now we all know what a reverse brake is! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hsugh.gif
Well behold some old galantvr4.org info from a few years ago Clicky
I feel like an idiot for not finding it on here earlier. oh well. Was a good thread though. now we all know what a reverse brake is! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hsugh.gif
donniekak
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Quoting prove_it:
Ok, I looked there. Ah yea no help, least I don't think. Well there is a stamp there, however it doesn't say W5M33.
It says:
C51PH
FT1214
Just like that. Two lines. I'm even more clueless now. Anyone???????????
I have the same transmission in my garage, it's a jdm w5m31.
Ok, I looked there. Ah yea no help, least I don't think. Well there is a stamp there, however it doesn't say W5M33.
It says:
C51PH
FT1214
Just like that. Two lines. I'm even more clueless now. Anyone???????????
I have the same transmission in my garage, it's a jdm w5m31.
prove_it
Well-known member
What's the difference between the W5M31 and the W5M33?
Rausch
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I see what you did there: And in conclusion, we've all learned to see what you did there.
prove_it
Well-known member
And in conclusion what I've learned today is that I'm not going to live that one down anytime soon.
Oh well I'm laughing too. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rofl.gif
*I'm still waiting for the moment when I see my title change*
Oh well I'm laughing too. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rofl.gif
*I'm still waiting for the moment when I see my title change*
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Quoting prove_it:
What's the difference between the W5M31 and the W5M33?
w5m31's appear to come from non-turbo 4wd mitsi's (libero, lancer, mirage, etc), they're 2.846:1 ratio. Have finer (weaker) gearteeth, a weaker centre diff, and a smaller viscous coupling than the turbo W5M33's.
Hope that helps.
What's the difference between the W5M31 and the W5M33?
w5m31's appear to come from non-turbo 4wd mitsi's (libero, lancer, mirage, etc), they're 2.846:1 ratio. Have finer (weaker) gearteeth, a weaker centre diff, and a smaller viscous coupling than the turbo W5M33's.
Hope that helps.
prove_it
Well-known member
Ok, well my trans in there now has the same viscous unit, and the same final gear ratio. They must have made way more options than I ever thought.
