Quoting rerx7:
Honda fanboy? That actually made me laugh lol.
Good attitude. Seriously. There's still far too many people getting butthurt at labels online.
You know what's just as bad as said ricer flyby Honda fanboyism, though?
4-door DSMers. In fact, 4-door DSMers are
worse than Honda fanboys, because, while a million beat-ass Hondas mean there's plenty to go 'round when mouth-breathing, flatbrim morons half-ass them into wasted shells destined for the scrap heap and Chinese foundries, there are likely less than 1,500 GVR4s left in all of North America. Once they're gone, they're gone.
Quoting rerx7:
Ok, well lets examine something.
Yes. Let's.
Quoting rerx7:
Does the 4g63t come in the galant?
Yes. Does that make it a DSM? Nope.
Quoting rerx7:
Will drivetrain from a 1g fit?
Yes, but good luck going anywhere with it. Prop shaft is too short, meaning you can't connect the rear diff, meaning you have an open center diff, meaning you have a FWD, turbo Galant. Even if it was 100% identical and bolted right up.
Still not a DSM.
Quoting rerx7:
So yes to me that means its part dsm if dsm parts(trans, diff) fit it.
It's not part DSM at all. DSM is part Galant VR4.
DSM, plain and simple, is Diamond Star Motors, which was, as you know, a business venture between Chrysler and Mitsubishi in the early 90s. ALL DSMs were made in Normal, Illinois. If it wasn't made in Normal, alongside the triplets, it's not a DSM. Period. Hell. 1995-1999
non-turbo Eclipses and Talons - which pretty much have a Dodge NEON engine/trans in them - are more DSM than the GVR4. Why? Because their badges originated under DSM and they were built in the DSM factory, alongside DSMs.
DSM is a brand of car. You might as well say a GVR4 is a FORD.
Quoting rerx7:
Apparently im not the only one on this board that feels this way. Thats fine you dnt see it like that. Its merely my opinion.
Opinions are like assholes, though. Here's the rub. Why do you want a GVR4? Why not buy another DSM? You said so yourself, because
they're rare. You want something special. You want something different. You want something that commands immediate recognition and respect in the parking lot and on the street (and on the track).
These cars are special. They are not dime-a-dozen, oft-neglected, "dizzums." They are limited edition, homologated world rally cars. There will likely never be another car like it - at least, not at a pricepoint regular Joes like us can afford. Look at your Talon. How does it compare to the average DSM you see these days? It's better than the vast majority of them, isn't it?
When you're done with this car, when you get it as dailed-in and polished as your Talon, ready to fit right in and stand right out - whether you're at the stoplight, the winner's circle, or pulling up to the valet at Caesar's Palace between an AMC Merc and a Murcielago - do you want people to compliment you on your super rare, specialty vehicle? Or call it a $2,000, 4-door DSM?
Most of us here cut our teeth on DSMs. We have nothing but love and respect for them. And yes, there is no doubt the DSM platform is pretty much the only reason these cars have any kind of aftermarket support in North America. We don't deny that. Some of us are just of the opinion that these cars are special and want to see them thought of that way by the rest of the gearheads in the world.
The DSM owes its long term dominance of North American streets and tracks to its forebear, the Galant VR4. This was the car which started it all. Before the GVR4, Mitsubishi 4WD was truck-based, the Group B Starion sporting a modified Pajero drivetrain under it's bulging, cheese wedge J-tin. The 6th generation Galant was where the magic started. It was the original, turbocharged, AWD Mitsubishi for the everyman with grown-up tastes.
In short, the E39A VR4 is our
UrQuattro. And it is most certainly
NOT a DSM. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif