I sold this guy a new evo3 o2 housing and a cheap evo 3 turbo. He had complained to paypal while I was out of the stated got all his money back. I had found out about this negative balance on my account. Now I am asking for hte parts back for my car and he refuses to return them.This man is older and a thief. It has been months and I have got nothing back from him. Be watchful. He will also whine alot to get some sympathy
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cheekychimp
Well-known member
Firstly for the English readers amongst you let me help out with the original post
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I sold this guy a new Evo3 O2 housing and a cheap Evo 3 turbo. He complained to Paypal while I was out of the States and got all of his money back. I subsequently discovered the negative balance on my account. Now I am asking for the parts back for my car and he refuses to return them. This man is older and a thief. It has been months and I have had nothing back from him. Be careful. He will also whine a lot to get some sympathy.
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For those that want the whole story and enjoy a good read go here. For those that just want the cliff notes for reference these are the first and last posts from that thread.
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quoting desant78:</font><hr />
Really hate to do this...but I have no choice.
Agreed to buy cyclone intake manifold. Sent funds August 5th. Asked him MANY times for a tracking number, but kept getting the run around.
A few weeks later, after being told a few times he was about to ship it, was informed HIS FRIEND was shipping the part.
No problem for me, so long as I get my part. About a week later, no part, and no tracking number. After going back and forth a little bit, found out part went to the wrong place. Apparently it was on it's way back and he was going to send it himself, and give me a tracking number.
Now he no longer can use his phone to contact me, and has disappeared on the forum answering me. I paid in full, and have never seen the part.
I am willing to work with him, I understand stuff happens. BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM HIM IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS. If there was communication, I would not be posting this. He has left me in the dark, $100 down that hole NEVER seeing the part I ordered. I hope this will do something, but I doubt it. Didn't want to write this, but feel as if I have no other choice.
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quoting MeanGreenVR4:</font><hr />
Thats legit man. I just thought you said you didnt have one still. But i will return the money asap.
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You ripped off desant78 for $100, never sent him his manifold and <b>eight months later</b> you still hadn't paid him back. So, instead of sending you $100 for the O2 housing, I have paid desant78 the $100 that you owe him on your behalf. You may not agree with that but I don't trust you to take care of your own debts, so I have done it for you. So now that both desant78 and your O2 housing have been taken care of, let's move onto your turbo.
You advertised it as a brand new turbo which had ONE stripped hole on the turbine housing from where the previous owner had (allegedly) installed it but never run it. I paid $364.00 by Paypal to a Russ Riendeau (Paypal address [email protected]) on January 6th 2012. Russ Riendeau I subsequently discovered is not your name. On February 14th 2012 I contacted the moderators as I had received nothing from you and the 45 day Paypal claim limit was due to expire and was advised to make a claim which I did. Paypal decided in my favour probably because Russ Riendeau never shipped anything and I got my money back.
A few days later however Darren at FFWD Connection sent me this email:-
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quoting darren@ffwdconnection:</font><hr />
Got your pieces in today. At least I assumed it is your pieces as there was no contact info in the box. Didn’t come from a Daniel Chang. Came from [name deleted by me] (or something like that…hard to read on the return label) from [location deleted by me]. It is a fully assembled 16G and O2 housing. But NO manny like I had thought you were sending.
Terrible packing job. The turbo almost fell out of the box. Big hole in the side of the box. Not packed tight at all.
There was a signature required on it. You already know what havoc that created around here.
Please confirm this and also tell me what you want done. Single stage…Double Stage…Triple…or what. Here’s another thing.
You know why you really got a good deal on this turbo? Because that turbine housing not only has one stripped hole, it has three. One is really hogged out and would need to be welded up, drilled, and re-tapped. The other two might be able to be heli-coiled, but they’re quite buggered up. Complete idiot who messed with this housing before.
All in all, I don’t know if I would stand behind a housing with that many inserts in it…maybe 1 but not 2 or 3. Plus, the expense in doing that job, you’d be better off finding a good used (and ported) housing, and start from there.
My 2 cents.
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So this was the "brand new" Evo 3 turbo you were selling and which you said could sell for over $1,000. But anyway in an effort to be nice I post up and suggest you send me return shipping for your turbo and that you can have it back since I already have my money back. You then PM me the following: -
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quoting MeanGreenVR4:</font><hr />
Dude I am pretty sure the parts were sent and I haven't got any parts back so byahhhh!!!!
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and then followed it up with this
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quoting MeanGreenVR4:</font><hr />
It isnt my paypal account and it wasnt two people with the effin turbo so im sorry you believed some ****** at a sh*t shop.
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Darren needed your parts gone, I needed a new turbo which I bought from another member so I posted up a deadline asking you to send a return packing label or the stuff would get dumped on April 8th 2012. I hear nothing from you, April 8th comes and goes and finally on April 29th 2012 you PM this.
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quoting MeanGreenVR4:</font><hr />
So I have a huge hold on my bank account. I take it you have the turbo still and you knew it was damaged. only on the turbine side as was told. they sell for over a grand new you got a deal on it for 350 and I guess you somehow took back the money too. I just now realised this. please get in contact asasp
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The timeline is all in your own bad guy thread. I tried to be civil to you and if you look at my last post in your bad guy thread you will see why I stopped responding to you. Steve and some of the other mods were good enough to remove most of the stuff you said but this is a selection of some of the PMs I received from you.
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quoting MeanGreenVR4:</font><hr />
Ohhhh wow man I just realised you were a police officer..... Hahaha I can now see why your such a ******. You are so uptight and have such a sh*t life you try to escape the voids in your life by coming on this f***ing site and feeling all high and mighty with the sh*t you buy. Well fuckface thats cute and all but your dick must be awfully small to be f***ing over a 21 year old when your potentially much older and in a better life situation soooooo. either smoke some weed and shut the f*** up and help me out or...... kill yourself because your a mighty ******.
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quoting MeanGreenVR4:</font><hr />
Nah dick. You owe me sh*t. I cant believe the sh*t you said on this forum you pompass ass. You will repay me or send me the parts. I am not sure why some guy in oklahoma would be glad to see me but I would love to have my parts back so I can put them on my galant. This is beyond rediculous and from a older person I am totally surprised. I want my stuff back please you f***er <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bawling.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bawling.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worthy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worthy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worthy.gif" alt="" />
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quoting MeanGreenVR4:</font><hr />
Yeah and he live twenty minutes from me and is my best friend dink......... He could give a f*** about paypal but just unfortunately they like to keep an eye on his bank now so if he puts money in his checking paypal is gonna want to take it. SO PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE quit being a small dicked f***er and just give me my stuff. I actually didnt mind the turbo so i will gladly take it back and def the o2 housing so I apologize that your a huge narrow minded fool but I want to show you how much of an idiot you are
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quoting MeanGreenVR4:</font><hr />
dude your a small minded ******. dont fuckin mind any of my business with your petty spite sh*t. I want you to be more then a little dicked ******. So i guess before this gets rediculous i suggest returning my parts you 8-3 ******. I just wanna build my car man and be happy. I am upset that your not happy with your sh*t and now i cant even get it back. I am sorry for being a young dumbass hothead or whatever you think. But i am in a real hard place and need these things so i apologize you think you got shafted but i just want my stuff back......................
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... and so on and so forth!
So I'm not whining. I lost nothing. You on the other hand appear to have been selling parts for your friends, fucked up and now owe them for parts that got trashed whilst you were ignoring your PMs, ignoring your bad guy thread and ignoring requests from other members for you to pay them back for the parts that they never received from you. During the past month whilst you have been away, I've been taking care of your sh*t (amongst other things) since you clearly have no intention of paying your debts.
Now remind us all once again, what it is after all of the above, that you actually expect me to do?
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quoting MeanGreenVR4:</font><hr />
I sold this guy a new Evo3 O2 housing and a cheap Evo 3 turbo. He complained to Paypal while I was out of the States and got all of his money back. I subsequently discovered the negative balance on my account. Now I am asking for the parts back for my car and he refuses to return them. This man is older and a thief. It has been months and I have had nothing back from him. Be careful. He will also whine a lot to get some sympathy.
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For those that want the whole story and enjoy a good read go here. For those that just want the cliff notes for reference these are the first and last posts from that thread.
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quoting desant78:</font><hr />
Really hate to do this...but I have no choice.
Agreed to buy cyclone intake manifold. Sent funds August 5th. Asked him MANY times for a tracking number, but kept getting the run around.
A few weeks later, after being told a few times he was about to ship it, was informed HIS FRIEND was shipping the part.
No problem for me, so long as I get my part. About a week later, no part, and no tracking number. After going back and forth a little bit, found out part went to the wrong place. Apparently it was on it's way back and he was going to send it himself, and give me a tracking number.
Now he no longer can use his phone to contact me, and has disappeared on the forum answering me. I paid in full, and have never seen the part.
I am willing to work with him, I understand stuff happens. BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM HIM IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS. If there was communication, I would not be posting this. He has left me in the dark, $100 down that hole NEVER seeing the part I ordered. I hope this will do something, but I doubt it. Didn't want to write this, but feel as if I have no other choice.
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quoting MeanGreenVR4:</font><hr />
Thats legit man. I just thought you said you didnt have one still. But i will return the money asap.
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You ripped off desant78 for $100, never sent him his manifold and <b>eight months later</b> you still hadn't paid him back. So, instead of sending you $100 for the O2 housing, I have paid desant78 the $100 that you owe him on your behalf. You may not agree with that but I don't trust you to take care of your own debts, so I have done it for you. So now that both desant78 and your O2 housing have been taken care of, let's move onto your turbo.
You advertised it as a brand new turbo which had ONE stripped hole on the turbine housing from where the previous owner had (allegedly) installed it but never run it. I paid $364.00 by Paypal to a Russ Riendeau (Paypal address [email protected]) on January 6th 2012. Russ Riendeau I subsequently discovered is not your name. On February 14th 2012 I contacted the moderators as I had received nothing from you and the 45 day Paypal claim limit was due to expire and was advised to make a claim which I did. Paypal decided in my favour probably because Russ Riendeau never shipped anything and I got my money back.
A few days later however Darren at FFWD Connection sent me this email:-
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quoting darren@ffwdconnection:</font><hr />
Got your pieces in today. At least I assumed it is your pieces as there was no contact info in the box. Didn’t come from a Daniel Chang. Came from [name deleted by me] (or something like that…hard to read on the return label) from [location deleted by me]. It is a fully assembled 16G and O2 housing. But NO manny like I had thought you were sending.
Terrible packing job. The turbo almost fell out of the box. Big hole in the side of the box. Not packed tight at all.
There was a signature required on it. You already know what havoc that created around here.
Please confirm this and also tell me what you want done. Single stage…Double Stage…Triple…or what. Here’s another thing.
You know why you really got a good deal on this turbo? Because that turbine housing not only has one stripped hole, it has three. One is really hogged out and would need to be welded up, drilled, and re-tapped. The other two might be able to be heli-coiled, but they’re quite buggered up. Complete idiot who messed with this housing before.
All in all, I don’t know if I would stand behind a housing with that many inserts in it…maybe 1 but not 2 or 3. Plus, the expense in doing that job, you’d be better off finding a good used (and ported) housing, and start from there.
My 2 cents.
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So this was the "brand new" Evo 3 turbo you were selling and which you said could sell for over $1,000. But anyway in an effort to be nice I post up and suggest you send me return shipping for your turbo and that you can have it back since I already have my money back. You then PM me the following: -
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quoting MeanGreenVR4:</font><hr />
Dude I am pretty sure the parts were sent and I haven't got any parts back so byahhhh!!!!
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and then followed it up with this
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quoting MeanGreenVR4:</font><hr />
It isnt my paypal account and it wasnt two people with the effin turbo so im sorry you believed some ****** at a sh*t shop.
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Darren needed your parts gone, I needed a new turbo which I bought from another member so I posted up a deadline asking you to send a return packing label or the stuff would get dumped on April 8th 2012. I hear nothing from you, April 8th comes and goes and finally on April 29th 2012 you PM this.
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quoting MeanGreenVR4:</font><hr />
So I have a huge hold on my bank account. I take it you have the turbo still and you knew it was damaged. only on the turbine side as was told. they sell for over a grand new you got a deal on it for 350 and I guess you somehow took back the money too. I just now realised this. please get in contact asasp
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The timeline is all in your own bad guy thread. I tried to be civil to you and if you look at my last post in your bad guy thread you will see why I stopped responding to you. Steve and some of the other mods were good enough to remove most of the stuff you said but this is a selection of some of the PMs I received from you.
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quoting MeanGreenVR4:</font><hr />
Ohhhh wow man I just realised you were a police officer..... Hahaha I can now see why your such a ******. You are so uptight and have such a sh*t life you try to escape the voids in your life by coming on this f***ing site and feeling all high and mighty with the sh*t you buy. Well fuckface thats cute and all but your dick must be awfully small to be f***ing over a 21 year old when your potentially much older and in a better life situation soooooo. either smoke some weed and shut the f*** up and help me out or...... kill yourself because your a mighty ******.
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quoting MeanGreenVR4:</font><hr />
Nah dick. You owe me sh*t. I cant believe the sh*t you said on this forum you pompass ass. You will repay me or send me the parts. I am not sure why some guy in oklahoma would be glad to see me but I would love to have my parts back so I can put them on my galant. This is beyond rediculous and from a older person I am totally surprised. I want my stuff back please you f***er <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bawling.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bawling.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worthy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worthy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worthy.gif" alt="" />
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quoting MeanGreenVR4:</font><hr />
Yeah and he live twenty minutes from me and is my best friend dink......... He could give a f*** about paypal but just unfortunately they like to keep an eye on his bank now so if he puts money in his checking paypal is gonna want to take it. SO PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE quit being a small dicked f***er and just give me my stuff. I actually didnt mind the turbo so i will gladly take it back and def the o2 housing so I apologize that your a huge narrow minded fool but I want to show you how much of an idiot you are
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quoting MeanGreenVR4:</font><hr />
dude your a small minded ******. dont fuckin mind any of my business with your petty spite sh*t. I want you to be more then a little dicked ******. So i guess before this gets rediculous i suggest returning my parts you 8-3 ******. I just wanna build my car man and be happy. I am upset that your not happy with your sh*t and now i cant even get it back. I am sorry for being a young dumbass hothead or whatever you think. But i am in a real hard place and need these things so i apologize you think you got shafted but i just want my stuff back......................
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... and so on and so forth!
So I'm not whining. I lost nothing. You on the other hand appear to have been selling parts for your friends, fucked up and now owe them for parts that got trashed whilst you were ignoring your PMs, ignoring your bad guy thread and ignoring requests from other members for you to pay them back for the parts that they never received from you. During the past month whilst you have been away, I've been taking care of your sh*t (amongst other things) since you clearly have no intention of paying your debts.
Now remind us all once again, what it is after all of the above, that you actually expect me to do?
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desant78
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I would like to state that last MeanGreenvr4 and I made contact, he agreed that he owed me $100 dollars, and that he will refund me. this is evident in the Bad Guy thread for Mean GreenVR4.
I have since lost contact with MeanGreenVr4, and was never given a date of when this refund would occur. Cheekychimp, with my permission, has covered your debt to me by paying me $100 dollars.
In all matters regarding the 02 Housing (and forgive if I am over stepping my bounds here), Cheekychimp has paid for 02 housing that you sold him. Consider your debts to me cleared thanks to Cheekychimp. I have paypal statements to back up this claim up if requested.
I would like to also apologize to Cheekychimp that I did not post this transaction earlier to avoid this thread.
I have since lost contact with MeanGreenVr4, and was never given a date of when this refund would occur. Cheekychimp, with my permission, has covered your debt to me by paying me $100 dollars.
In all matters regarding the 02 Housing (and forgive if I am over stepping my bounds here), Cheekychimp has paid for 02 housing that you sold him. Consider your debts to me cleared thanks to Cheekychimp. I have paypal statements to back up this claim up if requested.
I would like to also apologize to Cheekychimp that I did not post this transaction earlier to avoid this thread.
desant78
Well-known member
Also I would like to state that Cheekychimp paid me June 12, 2012.
haha this is awesome. I was just proving my point that this guy has no life and did f*** me out of parts he was well aware of the condition......... So nice story bro. you should write books cheekychimp instead of trying to be some forum financial hero /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/applause.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Also desant I would of been able to pay you back for the intake if cheeky paid me back but I guess he was fine with losing just a 100 dollars rather then the 475 he took from me......
cheekychimp
Well-known member
Listen, no one screwed you over. You did this to yourself. The rules on this forum are clear and I posted all of my replies to you in the public forum rather than in PMs because I wanted everyone to be able to see the timeline; the dates don't lie!
It would appear that you have sold three things on this forum, an exhaust manifold that was not as described and resulted in the purchaser making a Paypal claim against you, an intake manifold that you took money for and never shipped and this turbo which you described as 'mint with one stripped bolt hole' and subsequently turned out to be unusable in it's delivered state. That isn't much of a track record is it?
Everything that you ship you seem to ship late, I suspect in the hope that the Paypal 45 day limit will expire and that your purchasers will be left with no leverage against your unscrupulous dealings. Everyone who has dealt with you so far has had to ask for a refund and on every occasion you have refused to pay, promised to pay and never sent funds or bitched about the fact that Paypal found in their favour and returned their money.
I didn't steal your parts. You were rude and arrogant to me because you thought that you had your money. When I asked you to send a return shipping label to get your parts back you still ignored me because you were too stupid to realize that Paypal had already returned the funds to me. If you had been less cocky and sent the return shipping label like I asked, you would have got your turbo back. Instead it got trashed because you were too busy being condescending to actually communicate with anyone.
And whilst we are on the subject, you claim to have been out of the States when all of this happened. Where exactly? On a business trip? Because you also claim to be a poor, destitute student! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif If that's the case, then perhaps, you should consider paying people back the money you owe them, before you go gallivanting off to Cancun on Spring Break.
I also asked you to prove that the turbo was actually yours and you never offered any evidence that it was, so I am left to assume that you were selling other people's parts, against forum rules. This is exactly why we have those rules. The next time you think about trying to sell some parts, make sure that they are yours, make sure that you don't misrepresent them, make sure that you ship them on time and make sure that you communicate with your purchaser. If you can't do any of that, then you need to get used to the idea that this will probably happen again. You were offered an opportunity to get your turbo back and you chose to ignore it. Weeks went by without any reply from you and as a result your parts got thrown away. That's your fault, no-one else's!
Paul.
It would appear that you have sold three things on this forum, an exhaust manifold that was not as described and resulted in the purchaser making a Paypal claim against you, an intake manifold that you took money for and never shipped and this turbo which you described as 'mint with one stripped bolt hole' and subsequently turned out to be unusable in it's delivered state. That isn't much of a track record is it?
Everything that you ship you seem to ship late, I suspect in the hope that the Paypal 45 day limit will expire and that your purchasers will be left with no leverage against your unscrupulous dealings. Everyone who has dealt with you so far has had to ask for a refund and on every occasion you have refused to pay, promised to pay and never sent funds or bitched about the fact that Paypal found in their favour and returned their money.
I didn't steal your parts. You were rude and arrogant to me because you thought that you had your money. When I asked you to send a return shipping label to get your parts back you still ignored me because you were too stupid to realize that Paypal had already returned the funds to me. If you had been less cocky and sent the return shipping label like I asked, you would have got your turbo back. Instead it got trashed because you were too busy being condescending to actually communicate with anyone.
And whilst we are on the subject, you claim to have been out of the States when all of this happened. Where exactly? On a business trip? Because you also claim to be a poor, destitute student! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif If that's the case, then perhaps, you should consider paying people back the money you owe them, before you go gallivanting off to Cancun on Spring Break.
I also asked you to prove that the turbo was actually yours and you never offered any evidence that it was, so I am left to assume that you were selling other people's parts, against forum rules. This is exactly why we have those rules. The next time you think about trying to sell some parts, make sure that they are yours, make sure that you don't misrepresent them, make sure that you ship them on time and make sure that you communicate with your purchaser. If you can't do any of that, then you need to get used to the idea that this will probably happen again. You were offered an opportunity to get your turbo back and you chose to ignore it. Weeks went by without any reply from you and as a result your parts got thrown away. That's your fault, no-one else's!
Paul.
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This section is for folks that have had personal dealings with each other that, (for whatever reason,) have not turned out satisfactorly.
It's for the two (or more) directly involved parties to present their sides of the stories, and hopefully, come to some sort of a resolution.
It is not a place for bashing, or for folks who don't have a dog in the fight to weigh in. It is only for presenting the details of a deal gone wrong.
The staff here very rarely edits posts in this section, so think about what you are saying and how it reflects on you. This thread is a classic example of how to make your side less credible.
It is also not for telling how great a bloke is, or for backing up your friends. We have a section for that
Thank you for taking the time to read this section, and please continue to use the information found here to decide who you will do business with.
