G
(JDM Unit)
09/26/08 01:04 AM
EVO 8/ 9/ 10 coilovers

Is it just me or do these evo 10 coilovers look like they will work on our cars?





Dialcaliper
(Flagration Member)
09/26/08 01:55 AM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Close, but the rears look like they will sit too tall (Evo X has much more rear suspension travel)

Champ_168
(Slimjim)
09/26/08 03:06 AM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

If you can get some measurements I can compare them to my Teins.
the evo X rears look deceivingly tall but looks to have the same mounting style.

If you put the galants front and rear together the rears are taller than the fronts by a good amount also.

You had evo 8 hks coilovers. were those all the same height?


thadirtybird
(Copter Mechanic)
09/27/08 01:51 AM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

If you would like I have my Vr-4 tein's on my garage floor collecting dust , In the morning I could knock the dust off of them and take some pics and measurements for you. Robert.

beaner
(Blew1 Guy Today )
09/27/08 02:17 AM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Doesn't a company like that offer aftermarket suspension for our cars with the *correct* mounts? I mean if you're putting a stock evo X suspension on for the cost of some washer shims and mild welding like the evo 8-9, cool. Otherwise is the evo x aftermarket setup not just the same thing with correct mounts? Why not just buy the right thing the first time around?

464/2K
(<3s Rance and self distrusts)
09/27/08 12:52 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

There's only 1 company that sells the correct one, hotbits.... Or does jic still make some??

BoostedAWD91
(Senior Member)
09/27/08 02:49 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Quoting thadirtybird:

If you would like I have my Vr-4 tein's on my garage floor collecting dust , In the morning I could knock the dust off of them and take some pics and measurements for you. Robert.




or u could sell them to me


thadirtybird
(Copter Mechanic)
09/27/08 03:20 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

By any chance would anyone happen to know what the spring rating are on the evo 10 coil-overs? my tein's are 9k in the front and 7k for the rear. May help for spring rate comparison. Robert

G
(JDM Unit)
09/28/08 12:30 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Quoting Beaner:

Doesn't a company like that offer aftermarket suspension for our cars with the *correct* mounts? I mean if you're putting a stock evo X suspension on for the cost of some washer shims and mild welding like the evo 8-9, cool. Otherwise is the evo x aftermarket setup not just the same thing with correct mounts? Why not just buy the right thing the first time around?




Yes tein did, but they are nla. Jic still does though. The rest of your question makes my head hurt.


thadirtybird
(Copter Mechanic)
09/28/08 06:16 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Here are a few pics form this afternoon, don't forget that you will still need a way to adjust your rear camber, such as a set of rear adjustable control arms.





thadirtybird
(Copter Mechanic)
09/28/08 06:18 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

full rear tein w/7k rear spring.



**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
09/28/08 06:29 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

whos got the best deal on JIC coilovers for the E39A?




**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
09/29/08 12:36 AM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

o0o i like the look of those

turbowop
(Hard Snarker)
09/29/08 01:29 AM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

I went out and jacked my car up to take measurements off my Tein HA coilovers.

On the rears I measured from the underside of the top mount to the center of the bottom mount.

On the fronts I measured from the underside of the top mount to the bottom of the strut.

I marked how I measured in red on both.

Rear: 21.25"
Front: 19.25"

These pics are from the last time I had them off the car. They are mounted at the moment.





**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
05/07/10 02:10 AM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Did anyone ever figure this out? Would be nice to know since it looks like with the evo X suspension, we might not need to do any welding (welding just scares me for suspension...)

kartorium
(hillbilly racer)
05/07/10 02:24 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

According to the measurements the rears would work, but lower the car just by bolting them on.

What about diameter of the mounting bushing on the evo x vs gvr4? Front lower mounts the same?


raptorWagon
(less than one year to my birthday)
05/07/10 07:29 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

I believe Alan(Whoodoo) has been working on using Evo 8/9 rear struts and X fronts.

Whoodoo
(buff guys = good time but my dream is to fondle 1051)
05/09/10 08:59 AM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

I sure am! I was kindly given the 8/9 rear struts and springs, but didn't have any 8/9 fronts. Found some stock evo X fronts for sale cheap and bought em (months ago). As far as all my measurements are concerned, the fronts seem to be nearly identical to the 8/9 evo fronts. The mounting holes are the same size and spacing. The mounting ears are also the same width apart. The top hats are a 3x120 pattern, so I opted to get camber plates and now everything is ready to bolt on.

HOWEVER... I'm not at home and the nearest GVR4 belongs to Tyler over in Ft. Drum and its been broken forever and getting it over here for a test fit is not a possibility.

I don't think evo X rears will work because from the pictures that I've seen they are a lot longer. I'm sure they would 'work' but would give you a nose down look to the max.


**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
07/11/10 11:09 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

I had my friends set of Megan EVO X coilovers and did some measuring.

The front shocks are the same as the EVO8/9.

The rear are not what I thought.

They measured at 22.75" from the bottom of the top hat to the center of the bolt hole.

The Bolt hole is also way too small it will not fit at all.

I'll add the pictures when I can.


turboaddict
(Barnes)
07/27/10 04:16 AM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

any updates yet on this??

blacksheep
(Baraqsheep)
07/27/10 08:29 AM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

I have Evo X MR suspension chilling in the basement. Came off a 1 week old MR. I plan to swap my X GSR Kayaba's for the MR with some progress springs. No coilovers for me, I don't need it. What measurements do you want?

If anyone wants the MR or KYB suspension sets, let me know. If I sell them both, I could swing some KW's. The MR is 1 week old, the KYB has 5500 miles on it, car has not been tracked or auto-x'd yet and I keep the whole car really clean.


Whoodoo
(buff guys = good time but my dream is to fondle 1051)
07/27/10 12:50 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

I was thrust into an in-car engine rebuild and right now I have everything except the block and tranny out of the front. I was holding off on putting the evo X front struts/springs until I get her back together because I know right now she'll be sitting a little high.

I would say it might be another month or so before I am any help. Sorry


G
(JDM Unit)
12/28/13 02:01 AM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

EVO 8/ 9 jic's, looks like no welding needed on the rears. Just unscrew, and screw in the correct fitting.



fuel
("Just to be pedantic!")
12/28/13 04:33 AM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

They the correct Evo X rears? I thought the Evo X had the same eye fitting as our E39As except with a smaller hole as mentioned above?

transparentdsm
(I have to say something dumb Member)
12/28/13 09:21 AM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

yeah, G are you sure those aren't for the evo 8-9? i was also under the assumption that the X rear had the same look as the vr4 rear

G
(JDM Unit)
12/28/13 01:17 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

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G
(JDM Unit)
12/28/13 01:45 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

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transparentdsm
(I have to say something dumb Member)
12/28/13 02:55 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

yeah, you swap that bottom out and it should be the right hight. i love my evo 9 suspension so much.

raptorWagon
(less than one year to my birthday)
12/28/13 04:00 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

More discussion on Evo X stuff

click


click




G
(JDM Unit)
12/28/13 06:33 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Makes more sense to buy the jic evo 8/ 9 coil overs instead of welding the shocks.

coyotes
(Hipster VR4)
12/28/13 06:43 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Do all evolution coilover a share that design or just the jic? This opens up a lot more coilover options for the gvr4.

G
(JDM Unit)
12/28/13 06:46 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Just jic. click



Street Surgeon
(Professor Street Surgeon)
12/28/13 07:56 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Guys.....

All this talk of welding, staaaahp.

Buy some evo 8/9 coilovers, use these adapters, done.


G
(JDM Unit)
12/28/13 08:59 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

That would work too, but if it were my car i'd go with the jic option.

G
(JDM Unit)
12/28/13 10:36 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

So they have these coil overs on clearance for $1150. For a 90-99 3kgt fwd. Looks like they would work?



turbowop
(Hard Snarker)
12/29/13 12:32 AM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

They might work. You could probably piece something together with JIC parts since all the components just fit together. It's just a matter of finding the right bottom brackets, the correct length threaded damper body, and the correct upper mount.

My thread for the Muellerized JICs I have on my car when I rebuilt them: click


G
(JDM Unit)
12/29/13 01:36 AM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

I'm pretty sure that 3kgt set would work, someone should buy those before they are gone. $1150 shipped.

I bought some flt-a2's in 2006. Just went and snapped a few pics, this is the part you need. I'm sure it's a universal part?





fuel
("Just to be pedantic!")
12/29/13 02:29 AM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Quoting Street Surgeon:

Guys.....

All this talk of welding, staaaahp.

Buy some evo 8/9 coilovers, use these adapters, done.



Doesn't the 3s have a larger ID for the rear bushing though? They would work if you were running 3s rear trailing arms though


EMX5636
(Carbon Fiber Cage)
12/29/13 02:39 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Yes they do, but you could probably make a small sleeve or something. There is plenty of washer to hold the whole setup tight.

transparentdsm
(I have to say something dumb Member)
12/29/13 02:42 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

wish i saw this link before i had mine welded.

KT
(Turbotoolbox)
12/29/13 02:53 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Quoting fuel:

Quoting Street Surgeon:

Guys.....

All this talk of welding, staaaahp.

Buy some evo 8/9 coilovers, use these adapters, done.



Doesn't the 3s have a larger ID for the rear bushing though? They would work if you were running 3s rear trailing arms though




Yes, this is true. I had my Teins rebuilt and they put the 3s bushing in and had to redo it.


coyotes
(Hipster VR4)
01/07/14 03:29 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

If I bought those JICs, what would it take to make them fit exactly?

G
(JDM Unit)
01/07/14 03:48 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

You would just have to find the correct male rod end to fit. click
If you want I could send one of my ends in to aurora and have them match it up. The end on mine have a rubber bushing inside and a shroud. I've been trying to communicate with jic japan to try and get the part number and cost for the e39a specific rod end but no luck. I actually am going to sell the evo 8 jic's for $800 I posted pics of. Was going to try and get the correct rod end first.


coyotes
(Hipster VR4)
01/07/14 04:07 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Is there a metal sleeve that could fit inside the stock rod end to make it fit? They would fit up on top though?

Do yours have damping adjustability? Camber plates?


G
(JDM Unit)
01/07/14 11:20 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

No man, i'm talking about these:



Yes they have all pictured.


coyotes
(Hipster VR4)
01/07/14 11:30 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Sorry,

I thought the images above of the new ones in the boxes were yours. Those have a different mount on the bottom. Are those the ones for the FWD 3kgt?

I would be interested in buying yours if they were new.

disclaimer: I'm gonna be asking a lot of dumb questions as I learn GVR4s. Talk to me about turbo RWD volvos or Nissan 240sx and I'm practically an encyclopedia.


G
(JDM Unit)
01/08/14 08:24 AM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

No the used ones are evo8 and just need the correct male end installed to work on a vr4. The ones in the box are mine with the correct male end and are not for sale. The ones outside the box are fs by jic for $1100 and are for a fwd 3kgt and already have the correct male end.

coyotes
(Hipster VR4)
01/08/14 10:23 AM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

how many miles are on those used JICs, and which type are they?

It seems the 3000gt ones on clearance are the FLT-TAR, which are pretty pimp coil overs... These would bolt right into a Galant VR4 with no modification necessary?


turbowop
(Hard Snarker)
01/08/14 11:05 AM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

I suggest just getting some BC's from bobdole. The stock JIC's ain't that great, and not worth the hassle, IMO. The BC's are probably just as good and bolt right up. Or grab a set of Hotbits for a little more money.

I don't think any of the off-the-shelf coilovers are valved right unless you spend big dollars on some Ohlins. Hotbits are probably the best you'll find for the money. I got lucky finding the used Muellerized JIC's I have. If the were just off-the-shelf FLT2a's, I wouldn't have picked them up.


GSTwithPSI
(A hole)
01/08/14 12:00 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

So what's the deal with your Muellerized JIC's? Are the springs a custom rate? I only ask because they look just like the normal FLT2a springs. And the valving is set up for a 1G DSM right?

I'm interested because the ride quality in 1837 is absolute shit. It handles great, but rides like a log truck. I haven't looked much into messing with the setup yet, but assumed the ride probably wouldn't improve much no matter the setting. I guess my question is, how much improvement does a Muellerized set of JIC's set up for a 1G offer over the off the shelf JIC when installed on a VR4? Is the setup from 1G to VR4 close enough to translate over to the VR4 platform? How much more streetable are these over a stock set? And did you notice performance benefits as well as streetability improvements?


turbowop
(Hard Snarker)
01/08/14 12:20 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Since Mueller doesn't share his secret sauce regarding spring rates and valving I can't tell you exactly. They are JIC springs, but the markings are gone, so I have no idea what the rates are. Perhaps a call to him could shed light on this.

From what I've heard from people that ran the off-the-shelf versions, they ride much like my old Tein HA's, which were bone jarring. The JIC's on my car now are much better behaved on city streets and country roads. Makes the car much more streetable. I had also heard about issues with the stock JIC's having issues with blown seals. There have even been a couple sets go through the forsale section here with blown dampers. This is why I wouldn't have given up my Teins for what would be a sidestep into something I don't feel is any better. Knowing Mueller's reputation, I figured these would be better than off-the-shelf and from what I can tell, they are.

As far as handling goes, I don't really have much to compare to other than fast twisties on country roads, but like I said, they are much better in that regard. They handled awesome at the autocross during IMSCC. I just can't compare them to my Teins since I hadn't autocrossed for like ten years.

I also like that if anything does happen with seals, or they just need freshened up, I can send them off to Mueller and have them rebuilt.


KiNgMaRtY
(Member +++)
01/08/14 02:40 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Quoting Street Surgeon:

Guys.....

All this talk of welding, staaaahp.

Buy some evo 8/9 coilovers, use these adapters, done.



That is actually a great idea! I assume the front is the same for the GVR-4/DSM and 3000GT? The rear will be an issue as mentioned that the rear eye is a different size than that of the 3KGT. The kit is priced very well


KiNgMaRtY
(Member +++)
01/08/14 02:45 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Quoting KT:

Quoting fuel:

Quoting Street Surgeon:

Guys.....

All this talk of welding, staaaahp.

Buy some evo 8/9 coilovers, use these adapters, done.



Doesn't the 3s have a larger ID for the rear bushing though? They would work if you were running 3s rear trailing arms though




Yes, this is true. I had my Teins rebuilt and they put the 3s bushing in and had to redo it.




How did you resolve the issue or did you send them back?
Was it just replacing the bushing?


coyotes
(Hipster VR4)
01/08/14 10:00 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Quoting turbowop:

I suggest just getting some BC's from bobdole.




My most likely course of action


G
(JDM Unit)
02/18/14 12:24 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Did the seller give you proof they were muellerized? You have the OG 8k / 6k springs that came with them (purple). Muellerized are gray springs.

Here is a pic of the ends side by side. Note the e39a unit has a rubber bushing inside and has the metal sleeve to offset the mounting position. The thread is the same. Looks like m21 x 1.5. Center hole size is m20. So if you can find a metric ptfe spherical rod end your golden.






Quoting turbowop:

Since Mueller doesn't share his secret sauce regarding spring rates and valving I can't tell you exactly. They are JIC springs, but the markings are gone, so I have no idea what the rates are. Perhaps a call to him could shed light on this.

From what I've heard from people that ran the off-the-shelf versions, they ride much like my old Tein HA's, which were bone jarring. The JIC's on my car now are much better behaved on city streets and country roads. Makes the car much more streetable. I had also heard about issues with the stock JIC's having issues with blown seals. There have even been a couple sets go through the forsale section here with blown dampers. This is why I wouldn't have given up my Teins for what would be a sidestep into something I don't feel is any better. Knowing Mueller's reputation, I figured these would be better than off-the-shelf and from what I can tell, they are.

As far as handling goes, I don't really have much to compare to other than fast twisties on country roads, but like I said, they are much better in that regard. They handled awesome at the autocross during IMSCC. I just can't compare them to my Teins since I hadn't autocrossed for like ten years.

I also like that if anything does happen with seals, or they just need freshened up, I can send them off to Mueller and have them rebuilt.




turbowop
(Hard Snarker)
02/18/14 01:16 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

The guy I purchased them from is reputable and is the guy that owns the car that Mueller used to test his DSM Ohlins setup, which is the car that my JICs came off of. They were set up on his car by Mueller himself since he's local. Even had the lower front bracket holes modified to provide more possible negative camber if needed, so they're definitely not stock. The only reason he sold them was to upgrade to the new Muellerized Ohlins.

I'm not really sure what to tell you regarding spring color. I've seen purple and grey springs come on JICs from the factory. They used purple back in the day and from what I've seen, grey in more recent times for newer cars like the Evo. Maybe he kept the stock spring rates and changed only the damping. Or maybe back then other spring rates also came in purple. I'm not really sure.They certainly don't ride like the typical stiff Japanese spring coilover setup though.


G
(JDM Unit)
02/18/14 01:50 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Another option is the kw's for evo 8/ 9. The bottoms are not threaded but for the guys who insist on welding they would be easier to mod/ weld.



G
(JDM Unit)
02/18/14 06:46 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

From the pic the 3s looks smaller. The e39a is 20mm.

Quoting fuel:

Quoting Street Surgeon:

Guys.....

All this talk of welding, staaaahp.

Buy some evo 8/9 coilovers, use these adapters, done.



Doesn't the 3s have a larger ID for the rear bushing though? They would work if you were running 3s rear trailing arms though




KiNgMaRtY
(Member +++)
02/19/14 10:31 AM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Quoting turbowop:

The guy I purchased them from is reputable and is the guy that owns the car that Mueller used to test his DSM Ohlins setup, which is the car that my JICs came off of. They were set up on his car by Mueller himself since he's local. Even had the lower front bracket holes modified to provide more possible negative camber if needed, so they're definitely not stock. The only reason he sold them was to upgrade to the new Muellerized Ohlins.

I'm not really sure what to tell you regarding spring color. I've seen purple and grey springs come on JICs from the factory. They used purple back in the day and from what I've seen, grey in more recent times for newer cars like the Evo. Maybe he kept the stock spring rates and changed only the damping. Or maybe back then other spring rates also came in purple. I'm not really sure.They certainly don't ride like the typical stiff Japanese spring coilover setup though.




I know for a fact that you have the Muellerized JIC's. No doubt. I also had Muellerized JIC's in the 2g I had before and I don't recall the springs being gray. I believe they would just have custom rates from, JIC along with the dampening changes


prove_it
(my racist jokes aren't actually funny)
02/19/14 10:58 AM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Thanks for all the info G. Nice thing about the KW and JIC's is that if you do weld, the area being welded can be protected very well. Way easier to keep the heat from the shock body.

G
(JDM Unit)
02/19/14 01:36 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Worst case scenario you could have some of these threaded sleeves made for the bottom of the shock, and have them tapped for a standard of the shelf size/ thread for a new rod end. The evo shocks are beefier than the e39a.







prove_it
(my racist jokes aren't actually funny)
02/19/14 03:27 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

What does JIC recommend as the minimum threads for the lower threaded body for ride height?

ApexHunter
(Extreme Indoor Cyclist)
02/19/14 10:49 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

FWIW i too have seen gin-u-wine muellerized JICs w/ purple springs.

G
(JDM Unit)
02/20/14 12:15 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

So after doing a little more research, the correct rod end needed is a m22 x 1.5. I have some feelers out to a few companies to try and find these but it may be a challenge. May have to be ordered from fluro in germany. >> click

G
(JDM Unit)
02/20/14 07:01 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Quoting Street Surgeon:

Guys.....

All this talk of welding, staaaahp.

Buy some evo 8/9 coilovers, use these adapters, done.




If you're a baller on a budget you could use those adapters with these >> click


G
(JDM Unit)
02/24/14 10:53 AM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Found the one needed from fluro. The bearing is pre-loaded for motorsports use. Part # GAXSW22MS. It's not cheap, but the german made quality i'm sure is second to none.

G
(JDM Unit)
05/31/18 09:17 PM
Re: eVO 10 coilovers

Updated links.
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